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Should the ARRL include RTTY in their December ten-meter contest?

Question #7 is one that I always wanted to ask.  As an avid RTTY contester I feel a little left out when the ARRL 10-meter contest comes around.  I understand both sides of the argument.  On one side, it seems only natural to include RTTY in the 10-meter contest.  On the other side, I can understand the long tradition of CW and SSB in the contest.  Perhaps if RTTY was scored separately, it might work.  Then there is the question of bandwidth between CW and RTTY.  My solution would be to limit CW in the contest to 28000-28150 KHz and limit RTTY to 28150-28300 KHz.

What do you think?

73, Don AA5AU


2007-10-20 03:32:37 GMT
Comments (16 total)
Author:Anonymous
Hell Yeah!
--K5WW
2007-10-20 04:01:51 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I responded that they should include RTTY in the 10 meter contest. At this point there may be a lot of Techs who would like to try RTTY and this could be a great opportunity for them. They can't operate RTTY on any other HF band so let's give them a chance to try it out and see how much fun it is.
--AD6WL
2007-10-20 04:22:55 GMT
Author:Anonymous
My response was to keep RTTY out of the ARRL 10m contest. My reason is because I enjoy operating both CW and RTTY and don't want to dilute my effort even further by adding a third mode. Adding a digital mode to an existing established contest feels like a "me too" addition, compared to an event which would focus entirely on RTTY. Mixed mode contests don't draw the high participation levels like the single mode events.

--73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
<mailto:k0rc@pclink.com>
2007-10-20 06:27:09 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Not if favor for two reasons:
1. Its hard enough operating two modes in one contest - three seems a bit much. Where does this end? We could throw in AM, FM, PSK31, etc. and have a real mess of a 10 meter contest.
2. RTTY is machine-to-machine contesting. I don't think it belongs mixed-in with person-to-person contesting.

--N4GG
2007-10-20 13:37:16 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Not if favor for two reasons:
1. Its hard enough operating two modes in one contest - three seems a bit much. Where does this end? We could throw in AM, FM, PSK31, etc. and have a real mess of a 10 meter contest.
2. RTTY is machine-to-machine contesting. I don't think it belongs mixed-in with person-to-person contesting.

--N4GG
2007-10-20 13:37:58 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Personally I don't think that any of the digital modes should be included in what have been traditionally SSB and/or CW contests. Maybe have a couple weekends with a "Digital Shoot-Out" where only digital modes are used?! Can you see RTTY, PSK##, Hell, Olivia, etc all competing .... and CW, too - it's digital!?
--Hank K8DD
<mailto:hank@k8dd.com>
2007-10-20 15:31:33 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Mixed feelings. We have many RTTY tests to use our skills. During other tests have always called cq in the Novice/Tech portion of 10 meters to attract newcomers to the mode. However feel that two modes are tough enough so why add another.
--Jerry NO2T
2007-10-20 16:19:56 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I voted NO, but its not a hard no.
Whenever RTTY is included in a state QSO party,
the activity on RTTY is very sparse, and I think
the same would happen in the 10 meter contest.

If it were to be included in the 10 meter contest, I would combine it with CW. In other
words, you could work someone on CW OR RTTY, but
not both. That way the scoring structure and
the contest records are not messed up.

I have been on 10 meters most of my 30 year ham career, and I have been on RTTY a little over a year. I can't wait to do RTTY on 10 if and when the sunspots ever come back.

Tim K6GEP
2007-10-20 17:19:14 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I voted "No" in the original survey, mostly because I think getting the ARRL to add RTTY to the 10m contest, over the objections of the rank-and-file SSB and/or CW contesters, would be a tall order.

As an accommodation, I'd be OK with running a concurrent 10m-only RTTY contest at the same time. Somebody else would have to administer the contest, but I guess the goal would be accomplished.

73,
Chris WF3C
--Chris WF3C
2007-10-20 18:06:23 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I' rather see a 'digital' section, so that PSK users can be involved as well.
Graeme
G6CSY
2007-10-20 21:53:48 GMT
Author:Anonymous
There are three basic modes used for contesting and DXing; SSB, CW and RTTY. Sure there are some small contestS that use PSK or Hell
and other modes but for the most part there are the big three. All three modes should be included in the ARRL 10 meter contest. This would be valuable in honing our skills on 10 meters, having fun and introducing Techs to RTTY on HF. This could also benefit the contest
sponsors by enticing RTTY ops into operating the contest.
--AD6WL
2007-10-20 22:57:20 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Put me down as being in favor. Phone & CW are fun on 10, but I would be a lot more active for RTTY.
--K0XU
2007-10-21 00:48:53 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I would favor adding RTTY to any mixed mode contest.
--W5CPT3GX
2007-10-21 00:50:44 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Sure, no reason not to include it. The more the band is used in amateur activities the better it is for everyone.
--Ben
<mailto:kr6e@sbcglobal.net>
2007-10-21 12:13:05 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I don't think it's productive to add RTTY to the ARRL 10m Contest. Here's why:

-The RTTY Roundup takes place a month after the 10m Contest. The exchange is the same (59 + state/province or serial number for DX) and the mult structure is the same (US states, VE provinces, DXCC entities). The only difference is that stations would be forced onto 10m in one case, and in the other case, stations can still operate 10m, but also operate other bands to 80m. The sponsoring organization is also the same (ARRL). Why would the ARRL want to take this on when they themselves sponsor a very similar contest for RTTY one month later?

-I doubt that adding RTTY to the 10m contest would generate the amount of RTTY activity that some assume it will. Most of the prior participants will stick to CW and SSB unless there is a compelling reason to switch to RTTY. When the band is open, participants want to be on a mode that they know will produce high rate. When the band is marginal, participants will want to be on a mode with the highest potential numbers of people tuning it to take full advantage of short band openings. It is no joke to attract enough attention on RTTY in a well established CW and SSB contest to gain enough traction to make it worth people's time. Many stations who we contact in the RTTY Roundup will not be participants on RTTY in the 10m Contest because they will be busy on CW or SSB.

-Any activity on RTTY would be from a) taking people away from CW and SSB to operate RTTY, diluting time on other modes, and b) new participants in the contest who are RTTY only operators. There will be resistance to a), and there is already a contest for b): the RTTY Roundup.

-Logistics: The following would have to be sorted out if attempting to add RTTY to the 10m Contest:
1) Can stations be contacted three times or two? CW, SSB, and RTTY, or CW/RTTY and SSB?
2) How many points would a RTTY QSO be worth? (CW QSOs are currently worth twice as much as SSB QSOs)
3) Are there separate mults on RTTY or are they shared with the CW mults?
4) Where to position RTTY in the band? In the high sunspot years, CW activity will go up to 28.1 and probably beyond. If RTTY is asked to operate only between 28.15 and 28.3, how to get the message out to RTTY operators to not congregate around .080, causing grief among participants in the same contest?
5) How to deal with categories? Do we add single band RTTY categories for QRP, LP, and HP? The ARRL will need to administer more awards, certificates, records for RTTY categories.
6) Get word out to all contest logging software authors to change their programs and score QSOs, dupes, points, and mults properly based on the answers to the above questions.

I really enjoy contesting on all three modes, but I vote to keep the ARRL 10m Contest a CW and SSB contest. I'll be active for both the 10m Contest and RTTY Roundup, and look forward to contacting you then!

73...
-Dean - N6DE
2007-10-21 18:06:41 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Voto por el SI. RTTY debe ser incluído como opcíón. Se ganaría participaciòn de quienes no lo hacen por no saber CW a velocidades de concurso, o a aquellos que no les atrae el modo y por ello no concursan.
Debería ser opción fone/cw o fone/RTTY. Creo que se ganarían muchos participantes, añadiendole interes al concurso.
2007-10-25 21:46:20 GMT
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